Carlos Lehder, a former Colombian drug trafficker* and survivor of US supermax prisons, reveals in this never-before-seen interview what extreme solitary confinement, known as the dark planet, is like—a place devoid of sunlight, human contact, and hope. Drawing on his experience in Marion, Illinois, and his knowledge of Florence, Colorado, Lehder explains why Nicolás Maduro could end up buried alive underground, isolated until the end of his days. A historic conversation about power, downfall, faith, redemption, and the world's most feared prison.

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