When Marx goes for "Hitler dropped your name in Mein Kampf" in his first verse, it wasn't just that Ford spoke highly of Hitler. It was that Ford had published so many antisemitic articles that Hitler referred to him as one of the greatest men in America IN MEIN KAMPF. He literally name dropped Ford in his antisemitic magnum opus

Even if he hadn't rebutted the hypocrite line, "hypocrite" is not as hard as "fascist, antisemitic, polluter."

He's not a hypocrite, Engels was a communist too lol

Common misconception: Ford was not the man behind the model T. Countless engineers, consultants, analysts, and workers are forgotten for every undoubtedly monumentous advancement in production - no CEO works alone. If they did, they wouldnt have a conoany.

I think Marx took it, he had a rebuttal for every hard bar ford threw at him. Ford says Stalin and Mao backed him, then gets hit with the hitler namedrop bar. Ford says his beliefs killed many, he rebuttals saying that ford killed his workers through his factories and during the march, ford brings up jennies, marx brings up fords mom dying. Ford brings up Karls ideology hypocrisy, and Karl tells him you were takin it too. Not only did Karl hit solid rebuttals but also hit ford with some crazy punches, especially on the last verse. Not to mention Karl had crazy wordplay and puns,  whereas ford had more playground insult bars, which arent my favorite. I especially like the last Karl bar where he says leave a FORD where you would find it Found On Road Dead, the double play is really good.

Ford gave workers a better wage than normal but as Karl said he controlled what they could eat,drink and eat, if you didn't live your life like Ford wanted you didn't get the high wage, Frod sent investigators at your house and you were forced to let them in and search your house for alcohol and other things.

Henry ford took the credit for what little worker benefits he had in his company, but in truth each one of them were hard fought for by the worker unions.

They both took great shots, but... well, at the end of the day Marx won.
Ford was making some good points, but his insults were generally weak. "Ah, ha! You're smelly, homeless, and poor!" was about half of his verses. Marx straight up murdered him in the last verse.

the part about the wages- henry ford had to  pay his workers a higher wage than what was normal at the time, because the conditions were so bad in his factories. he had a lot of turnover with people attracted to the high pay, then realizing it wasn't worth it and leaving

Marx certainly took this, also he was not hypocritical to ask Engels for money. Engels was a capitalist in the lowest form of the term as he believed quite freely in communism or he would not have supported Karl. A better system that Engels also advocated for which would have given far more money from him and other upper class to the workers.

Besides the first verse, I think Marx took the latter 2. Plus he kind of rebuttaled the hypocrite  line, by saying that both he (Marx) and Engels gave everything to their cause. And I'm pretty positive the line were Marx says he pawned his own pants is true

Something i haven't seen anyone catch yet: the "Which side you are on" bar is also a reference to a famous pro-union song,  "Which side are you on?" Unions were often labeled as communist.

"Come all you good workers, good news to you I'll tell of how the good ol' Union has come in here to dwell.

Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?

My daddy was a miner and I'm a miners son, and I'll stick with the union till every battle's won. Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?

They say in Harlan County, there are no neutrals there.

You'll either be a union man or a thug for JH Blair. Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?

Workers, can you stand it? O, tell me how you can! Will you be a lousy scab, or will you be a man? Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?

Don't scab for the bosses, don't listen to their lies, us poor folk haven't got a chance unless we organize. Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?"

Dung from a Taurus = excrement from a bull = bullsh*t

Marx won this for me tbh Ford took the first round but mark clapped back in the final 2

so glad they dropped again, and they apparently said they're working on the next few battles too, so hype

Karl's last verse really sealed his win for me. A lot of Ford's attacks were very shallow and lacking in substance.
Also Extra Credits History did a series on Ford recently, he was VERY controlling of his workers as well as very violent in suppressing unions.

Nah I gotta disagree on this one Marx absolutely destroyed him.

“Dung from a Taurus”

Literally bill shit 😆

Appreciate the research you did for this one Dave, always love your reactions!

~_~

Anti-Septicism is something we can all get behind. Sepsis is awful

Marx rebutted nearly everything Ford said about him, from supposed hypocrisy to Stalin to negligent parenting.

Marx and Engels' partnership was no secret; Marxists have never had a problem with bourgeois class traitors being part of revolution. Ford is using a Kantian logic against a Hegelian.

No matter your views on the USSR, Marx's posthumous relationship with Stalin is far less tangible than Ford's with Hitler.

Marx fully admits his alcoholism here and shows that while he was perhaps negligent with his children, Ford was actively abusive to his despite having far, far more resources.

Ford didn't respond to the Nazi accusations, the violent suppression of striking workers or really anything Marx said about him. All he's left with in the end are dad jokes and Marx smelling bad.

Even the most virulent anti-communist would have to admit Marx had this in the bag.