Marz saw the most controversial list and said yeah he coming on the stream to make me money smart

Dellski focusing on versatility and passing for pippen over kawhi then having kd> bron is nasty

W Marz for actually putting out content

Casual and delski should switch names

I used to think Marz was the highest on Kyrie out of PC but now my boy Dellski surprised me by having him at 6, shout out for the Kyrie respect, lowkey be rare these days

The way Delski moved the goal post the whole pippen vs kawhi argument was Wild!

Melos post career PR may be worse than Kobe’s. His offensive game has become understated to a pretty large degree. His gravity in that mid post is one of the more legitimate challenges for a defense to guard on this list. Elite pull up with a lightning first step. Offensively I think he convincingly beats out 15-9. His impact translated to winning as much as any of them as well. 10  consecutive playoff appearances as an offensive hub in his first 10 years. Strong rebounder for the position.

Main criticism:
I think moving to the 4 sooner in his career would’ve been the better move. His skillset was more accentuated at that position. Better rebounder, easier to make defenders pick their poison, harder for fours to guard him but his defense improves substantially guarding 4s.

w ep show w marz for respecting bird and magic unlike other people

Good show and series marz 🔥

Dellski dont wanna give kd no flaw at all Brother is the biggest kd glazer lmao

Diesel’s wifi only allows 2 hours

dellski was so nasty in that kd segment

Marz' point about 09 LeBron's offensive value is very interesting but I feel like it comes back to the idea of what impact actually is and it's the team construct attempting to maximize your skillset. Miami LeBron is obviously a better offensive player than 09 LeBron but wasn't as maximized cause he had to share the ball with Wade who was also ball-dominant, but he had all the abilities that 09 Bron had along with a better jumpshot and post-game (that jumper was kinda fake but still) along with being a bigger player who was arguably better in transition (dunno how that's possible), a better passer/playmaker, and was finishing at ungodly levels that year. In 2013, 40% of his shot diet was at the rim and he made it at a 76% clip compared to 09 Bron where 34% of his shot diet is at the rim and he's doing it at a 72 - 73% clip. Both are elite but one is clearly better. So I feel like LeBron, who by this point was a smarter player who was able to play off-ball better and had more variety to his game, had reached a higher offensive level while also still having a lot of that defensive value (less motor but was a better defensive playmaker and was just smarter by this time too so I don't think there's really a gap there. I think 09 is probably Bron's most impactful season but that's more cause of the team construction than him actually peaking then.

The only reason I'm less inclined to go with 16 - 18 is cause I think 18 drags it down a lot and even 17 there's some pretty big defensive falloff where he's just completely lacking that consistent motor even with how dominant he was on offense (2nd best offensive peak I've ever seen lmao). If I could just do 16 - 17 I'd probably do that cause you get the insane defense in 16 (especially in that postseason) and you get the insane offense too (arguably better than in 2018).

But yeah man Bron's one of them ones. Hard to beat a guy that has 3 of of the best peaks ever and still has many more years of elite value after that lmao. Like logically I probably should have him over MJ as the goat but for now I got MJ cause I think his peak is better than Bron's by a decent bit now and he's just a better player.

W show and shout out Casual

Dellski just got to yapping with kawhi

Delski kills me, man. Bro compared Pippin to Kawhi and said Kawhi had a great team, I can't

subbed to Casual and Dellski 🙌🏀 been subbed to John already 👍

I get why people are lower on 2012–14 LeBron because his shot-making did fall off at times in the playoffs. But I don’t think his actual offensive impact diminished nearly as much as the shooting numbers would suggest.

Defenses were still heavily, heavily slanted toward LeBron, and the attention he commanded was producing elite offense for his teams. When I look at his relative offensive rating in the playoffs, it’s routinely around +8, +9, +10 over that three-year span.

And then look at some of the individual series people specifically point to when talking about his shooting drop-off.

2012 Finals vs. OKC: +12 relative offense.

2013 Finals vs. San Antonio: +6.4 relative offense.

Those are series where the shot-making wasn’t necessarily at its best, yet he’s still leading offenses performing substantially above league-average efficiency.

That’s why I don’t really see the offensive value diminishing nearly as much as people suggest. The individual shot-making might not be there to the same degree, but defenses are still completely tilted toward him, he’s still creating advantages for everybody else, and the resulting team offense remains elite.

Shot-making declining ≠ offensive impact declining by the same amount.

W marz this show was funny man ,god work

1:59:10 ahhhh Harden and Embiid prop 😂😂