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Mark Clark: Anzio to Rome (with James Holland)

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Mark Clark: Anzio to Rome
With James Holland
Part of Anzio Week on WW2TV
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20 Comments

@jim99west46 2 years ago

The infantry casualties on all sides were horrendous. Was truly a human tragedy.

@OTDMilitaryHistory 2 years ago

Another great appearance by James Holland on WW2TV. Brilliant stuff.

@winnepoo9788 2 years ago (edited)

My Grandfather was a BAR gunner in the 88th division. He was original cadre, and landed in Naples. He lost his best friend Americo Bonosoro when he stepped on a mine near Casino. There is an interesting story about the incident in the book “Blue Devils in Italy”. Grandpa was wounded sometime after liberating Rome by shrapnel. Americo is buried in the Sicily-Rome military cemetery in Nettuno.

@JakeCole1453 2 years ago

Great presentation. With my Korean War hat on yet again, I urge anyone studying Clark to read his book "From The Danube To The Yalu". He had more in common with MacArthur than Ridgeway in terms of conducting the war. His obvious frustrations are laid out in a brutally honest memoir.

@jannarkiewicz633 1 year ago

My grandfather won a purple heart at Anzio. He was bitten by a bat in his tent.

@lyndoncmp5751 2 years ago

Late to this one. Fascinating as usual and James is such a great guest. I really need to step up my Italian campaign knowledge.

@black__bread 2 years ago

That was a brilliant presentation. And by using some of the language folks use today to describe organisations it made things more human because this closed the distance between now and then.

@philipmarsh2172 1 year ago

“The tyranny of Overlord.”

It seems Overlord was aptly named.

@Caratacus1 2 years ago (edited)

When I first wargamed the Italian campaign I was surprised by how close the troop numbers were on either side. And the German Divisions tended to be of their highest quality. Italy was pretty cost effective for grinding down huge German resources.

Also James' point about global shipping schedules can't be overstated. The Allies were locked into strategic decisions at least 6 months in advance. It's a major part of why they weren't able to respond to the Bengal famine with overseas aid as quickly as they would have liked.

Lots of good points by James. Just wish I could agree with him about Clark 😁 Good show.

@albertarthurparsnips5141 2 months ago

I still like to think of Dennis Healey & his bristling brows down on the Anzio coast.

@GraemeS-pk9cz 2 years ago

Well argued and a much needed revision of the Italian campaign.

@angatt9740 2 months ago

Of course, I'm late to the party again. James is so great to listen to. I started Casino '44 recently, and I wish I had seen this before starting it. Great episode.

@maartendezwaan9715 2 years ago

Awesome as ever Paul and James thank you! Best combo and JD :)

@davidlavigne207 2 years ago

I appreciate the way in which Jim always reminds us of the larger picture surrounding the events of Anzio, the breakthrough, and how the capture of Rome fit into that viewpoint. It is very much how he writes, as I have read his book about the Allied efforts in 1942 which takes this very same approach. The war was so vast that one can scarce take it in in many ways. It is a wonder that Churchill, Stalin, Roosevelt, the Australians, the Canadians and so many others (no offense for not naming them individually) could ever have made a coherent strategy at all.

@TheKilo0123 2 years ago

I remember hearing that Gen Clarke, said or referred to having 3 Divisions.
1 in the field.
1 in the hospital.
1in the grave.
Apologies if I am wrong.

@CaptainChunk5464 1 month ago

Just 1/3 of the way through cassino 44 great to get the wider view from James Holland he is a fantastic ww2 historian, such detail is what the campaign deserves 👍
Kind Regards
Captain Chunk ⛵️🏴‍☠️

@abrahamoyevaar2226 1 year ago (edited)

Thank you Woody and James for this enlightening presentation, lots of points to mull over and done in a casual yet academic way. The episode of World at War about Italy 1944 from the 70's comes to mind, specifically Chester Wilmots account of a German attack at Anzio - " to this day I still dont understand the German tactics? There was a moment where you could see them leaving their trenches, walking in lines like in those films of the Somme, and watching them get mown down as our machine guns hit them" . Thank you both for this wonderful presentation.