The SaaSpocalypse that wasn't, with Atlassian CEO Mike Cannon-Brookes | Decoder
Decoder with Nilay Patel
28,012 views
My guest today is Mike Cannon-Brookes, who is co-founder and CEO of Atlassian. Atlassian is one of those companies that every other company runs on — it makes important platform tools like Jira and Trello. This means Atlassian is also right in the middle of the way AI is changing how all these companies work. Or, if you buy the idea of the so-called Sasspocalpyse, AI might just build all of these tools for you, destroying this entire category of businesses. Obviously, Mike had a lot of thoughts pushing back on this narrative, so we spent time really digging in and talking through what AI is doing to enterprise software. #ai #atlassian #software #technology
0:00 Cold Open
0:41 Welcome To Decoder
1:03 What Is Atlassian Today
3:26 How AI Changes Work
9:51 The SaaSpocalypse Debate
13:44 How Atlassian Is Structured
16:28 Running On Its Own Platform
21:48 Platform-Centric Decision Making
25:16 Layoffs & Skill Mix Changes
29:25 Role Blending In The AI Era
34:50 Org Charts Of The Future
37:58 Supply Vs Demand Constrained Jobs
39:42 Imagination Asymmetry
41:25 How Mike Makes Decisions
44:31 Headless Is Brainless
46:45 MCP Servers & Connected Platform
53:11 The Dia Browser
1:05:20 Consumer AI Products
1:10:04 What's Next For Atlassian
1:11:00 Wrap Up
Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs
Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc
Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61
Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX
Follow on TikTok: http://bit.ly/42VeCVU
Watch The Vergecast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/40RFRkg
The Vergecast Podcast: https://bit.ly/3WQDexZ
Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc
More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts
Read More: http://www.theverge.com
Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv
Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr
Shop our Verge merch store here: https://bit.ly/4kPCmEc
If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://bit.ly/3ZWTlLs
14 Comments
Now. But yes agile exists because of this company. What a horrible structure for developers
The SaaSpocalypse that wasn't, with Atlassian CEO Mike Cannon-Brookes | Decoder
Decoder with Nilay Patel
28,012 views
My guest today is Mike Cannon-Brookes, who is co-founder and CEO of Atlassian. Atlassian is one of those companies that every other company runs on — it makes important platform tools like Jira and Trello. This means Atlassian is also right in the middle of the way AI is changing how all these companies work. Or, if you buy the idea of the so-called Sasspocalpyse, AI might just build all of these tools for you, destroying this entire category of businesses. Obviously, Mike had a lot of thoughts pushing back on this narrative, so we spent time really digging in and talking through what AI is doing to enterprise software. #ai #atlassian #software #technology
0:00 Cold Open
0:41 Welcome To Decoder
1:03 What Is Atlassian Today
3:26 How AI Changes Work
9:51 The SaaSpocalypse Debate
13:44 How Atlassian Is Structured
16:28 Running On Its Own Platform
21:48 Platform-Centric Decision Making
25:16 Layoffs & Skill Mix Changes
29:25 Role Blending In The AI Era
34:50 Org Charts Of The Future
37:58 Supply Vs Demand Constrained Jobs
39:42 Imagination Asymmetry
41:25 How Mike Makes Decisions
44:31 Headless Is Brainless
46:45 MCP Servers & Connected Platform
53:11 The Dia Browser
1:05:20 Consumer AI Products
1:10:04 What's Next For Atlassian
1:11:00 Wrap Up
Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs
Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc
Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61
Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX
Follow on TikTok: http://bit.ly/42VeCVU
Watch The Vergecast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/40RFRkg
The Vergecast Podcast: https://bit.ly/3WQDexZ
Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc
More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts
Read More: http://www.theverge.com
Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv
Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr
Shop our Verge merch store here: https://bit.ly/4kPCmEc
If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://bit.ly/3ZWTlLs