I was a tad nervous about this one as I dont know nearly as much about Tim Drake as I do other members of the Bat family. But I've always felt his issue is one of the more obvious ones so I did want to talk about him. I never expected it to become a 30 minute video (expected this to be our shortest) Next up is a family I know a TON about, Flash Family. (We'll come back to Dick Grayson and the Batgirls)

What to do with Tim is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. What set Tim apart from the other Robins was his personal life, he had a secret identity and network of friends and family. They took a lot of that away when they killed his father. What DC should do is get Tim out of Gotham, send him to college and give him his own supporting cast of characters. DC wanted Tim to be their version of Spider-Man and for many years he was and it worked, so just bring that back! And for the love of god get him as far away from Fitzmartin as possible.

Me, a  90s Tim Drake fan: "Look how they've massacred my boy "

Tim Drake is like the Wally West of Robins. He gave everyone just about everything they like about Robin, but he was big in a time before most modern people joined comics, so most of his impact is lost. Especially when New 52 retconned the other Robins' early years to be more like Tim's (even down to the costume). Now, I don't blame you if you don't get why Tim was such a big deal. Because as far as the world at large is concerned, he isn't.

What made Tim special was that he was the most well adjusted out of everyone. He wasn't consumed with tragedy his whole life and around every corner was some horrifying event taking place. He started out with a normal girlfriend who wasn't Stephanie and his own family. He was independent from Batman, which is what they took away to make him more like the other Robins...only to then wonder what to do with him.

The sad thing about Tim is that his time as Red Robin was really short. You can tell that in his 2009 Red Robin series, there were more stories that the writers at the time wanted to do but didn’t because, of the fact that by the time Tim was done with the mantle of Robin and going on his own adventures as Red Robin, DC was on the verge of rebooting their universe, and the writers that were writing him and that series were replaced so they couldn’t do any more stories to unlock his full potential.

Personally, I would have Tim being Red Robin and having him being the detective around the world or keep him in Gotham and leading the Gotham Knights along side with Batwoman, and have him be a part time member of the Teen Titans, with Cassie Sandsmark Wonder Girl as the leader.

For Damian, I would have him be Robin, working alongside with Batman,going on his own personal adventures, and leading a new Young Justice with a young Jon Kent Superboy.

My issue with Tim is when he morphed back into Robin, and DC didn't know what to do with him. After the timeline was reset, he should've returned as Red Robin

Rest in power, king 🕯️🕯️

Pre new 52 Tim Drake was peak

Tim is my favorite dc character. I feel like the issues with him is that writers don't know what to do since Damian has been introduced.

I never understood why Tim stopped being Red Robin. Yeah the name is a little meh, but his first RR costume was cool as hell. To me, having Tim grow up was the best choice they've made.

Tim was always my favorite Robin. Namely reading Chuck Dixion stuff but also The Red Robin series by Chris Yost was great. For me what made Tim the best Robin was that he wanted the job. He manages to deduce Batman’s identity and also gave a logical reason for why Robin needed to exist: to keep Bruce in check especially post Jason Todd’s death. I love Dick Grayson but Tim purposefully entered the role by himself. He also had to earn the position and has been shown to be on par with Bruce as a detective and intellect.

While he is my favorite, I think the problem with Tim is an example of why so many miss the pre 52, Red Robin was him at his best in a sense and then New 52 skipped his Robin years so they can't just put him back unless they come with a new identity to make everyone happy that makes sense, reminds me of my problem with Damian right now where he's still Robin

The problem with Tim Drake is that he was basically a Carrie Kelley rip-off. Still, his begin concept of it was even interesting. What set Tim apart from the other Robins was that he wasn't Batman's orphan. He had his family and a life outside of vigilantism. His relationship with Batman was more like a student and teacher. Dick and Jason saw Batman as a foster father, but Tim already had his father. So he viewed Batman more like as a boss and the Robin mantle as some sort of undercover job between his civilian life. He was the closest the DC had to Peter Parker.
But in 2000s, DC just decided to do away with all these aspects that made Tim different. They killed his parents and made him another Bruce orphan.
Damian's arrival was just the final nail in the coffin to bury Tim in irrelevancy.
Unfortunately, with Damian dominating everything, I find it very difficult for Tim to become relevant again. It does n't help that his origin from him relies heavily on Dick and Jason to function. Dick, Jason and Damian are easier to adapt to other media in comparison. It was no wonder that Tim Drake in the animated series had to literally riped of all Jason's origin as a street kid to generate a more interesting episode.

What made tim special to me was that he was the only robin that wanted to be robin (a sidekick), and the fact he is the smartest of the group/best detective. So why not make him like a modern oracle? He becomes the man behind the chair, he helps the superhero community, hell since alfred is gone i am kinda surprised tim doesn't help out more in the batcave. Making him the new oracle gives him a purpose in the universe and fits his skills.

I for one would love a run of Damien and Tim being robin at the same time. Leading to some funny and insightful conversations as the child assassin son of Batman and the intelligent son of Gotham who represents the bat family's heart. Their interactions while under Bartmans watch could lead to some actual meaningful ties we never had in things like battle for the cowl. Tim being the detective and Damien being more the dark knight.

The problem was they made Damien while Tim was still Robin. With him being smarter then Bruce you would think they could have him become a Detective type character, but that would require DC Writers smart enough to write a Detective.

I really thought that when Conner and Bart came back we would get him running around with them again. Sadly those Writers had NO idea how to write those Characters and just ruined that idea.

As someone who read all of the Robin/Red Robin comics, I'd say what made Tim different from the others is that he was the most relatable/Realistic. He was the Spider-Man of DC. Tim had his parents and dealt with real issues that plague school systems and our childhood. The Robin comics segwayed a lot of kidlike wonder into a darkness that children and parents feared, like school shootings and the death of classmates. Back then, they were trying to make Tim the next Batman, in a way, a master combatant as he trained with the military and lady shiva, as well as the next big detective. As someone mentioned before, Tim made the robin mantle cool, and what we all love about it stems from Tim, not Dick. What made the Red Robin run great was, despite the name, this was Tim at his peak, and the death of Bruce allowed him to go off on his own; I'd argue he was just as far from the batfamily as Jason as Tim was contemplating killing on many occasions and targeting many members of the justice league/batfamily if they had gone rogue. He was more Batman than Dick wore the mantle at the time. Tim had the reader's thoughts. He talked about how odd things were and even questioned Bruce, as fans have been doing for years.

I disagree that Stephine was a core character that defined Tim. It's not to say she wasn't and to undermine the storylines they went through together, but I believe Tim's defining moments were when he was primarily alone, and that was One year later era (sort of as he was part of the teen titans) and Red Robin. I might be slightly biased, as I never liked the Stephine Brown character. I couldn't ever see an adult Tim dating her as he went from a chill and full-of-life young man to a dark, cold, and calculating one; even after he fixed his issues with Dick and Damian, it was a lasting effect.

What made Tim at his peek during Red Robin was that we had a character who was once the light to Bruce's world and had a normal childhood, but once everything began to be taken away from him as it was to Bruce, we notice that Bruce had sorta "corrupted" Tim. Alfred mentions that he had hoped Tim becoming Robin would make Bruce lighter, but it only darkened Tim significantly. And once Bruce had died, Tim had an identity crisis and became a Red Hood Lite, as in he brutalized enemies to get what he wanted but never killed them even if it crossed his mind. I always considered Tim a darker version of Spider-Man/Sherlock Holmes during his one year later, and Red Robin runs.

Out of the 4 Robin's Tim has it the worst. They literally have no idea what to do with the poor guy

Tim Drake became redundant when Damian Wayne became Robin. I always thought it would've made sense for Damian to assume a bat-themed identity to drive home his status as Bruce's biological son.

DC seriously drop the ball with Tim, and I'm still annoyed by it.