The Kingdom of Hawaii's Systematic De-nationalization & De-occupation Plan w/ Dr. Keanu Sai | EP 90

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What if the history of Hawaiʻi that most of us grew up learning is only part of the story?

In Episode 90 of the BrotherLee Time Podcast, Kenji Lee and Taisei Lee sit down with Dr. David Keanu Sai for an extensive conversation about his life, Hawaiian history, international law, identity, education and the argument that has defined decades of his work: that the Hawaiian Kingdom continues to exist under international law and that Hawaiʻi should be understood through the legal framework of prolonged occupation.

But this conversation begins long before court cases, treaties and political science.

Dr. Sai takes us back to growing up in Kuliʻouou surrounded by ʻohana, fishing, gathering food, preparing kalua pig and living Hawaiian culture before he ever thought of those everyday experiences as “cultural practices.” He talks about attending Kamehameha Schools, being far more interested in football than academics, graduating with a GPA that nearly closed the door on college, and the decision that unexpectedly sent him into the U.S. military.

That decision changed the direction of his life.

Dr. Sai walks Kenji and Taisei through his interpretation of Hawaiian nationality, the difference between ethnicity and citizenship, the 1893 overthrow, annexation, denationalization, the Permanent Court of Arbitration, the Council of Regency, the laws of occupation and his three-phase vision of verification, education and eventually ending the occupation through a treaty of peace.

Whether you agree with Dr. Sai, disagree with him, or are hearing these ideas for the first time, this episode is an invitation to investigate the history for yourself.

As Dr. Sai puts it near the end of the conversation: fill your gourd with knowledge.

Watch. Read. Question. Learn. And then decide for yourself.


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His Published Works - https://hawaii.academia.edu/DavidKean...

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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Opening: The Three-Phase Mission
00:01:28 The History We’re Taught Not to Question
00:02:27 Who Is Dr. Keanu Sai Beyond the Scholar?
00:06:42 Growing Up Hawaiian in Kuliʻouou
00:14:44 The Student Nobody Expected to Earn a PhD
00:17:27 The Military Decision That Changed His Life
00:19:24 Boxing, Discipline & Learning Accountability
00:26:00 His Tutu, Genealogy & Discovering His Kuleana
00:29:35 How Studying 1893 Changed Everything
00:35:00 Applying Military Strategy to Hawaiian History
00:42:00 Hawaiian: Race, Ethnicity or Nationality?
00:59:50 Denationalization & Why People “Don’t Know”
01:03:52 Sai’s Three-Phase Plan for Hawaiʻi
01:15:18 Taking the Hawaiian Kingdom Case to The Hague
01:25:31 Denationalization, Identity & Healing
01:36:26 What Would a Transition Actually Look Like?
01:39:00 Treaty of Peace & Ending an Occupation
01:50:52 Oxford University Press & the Academic Argument
02:03:28 Cost of Living, Shipping, Taxes & Education
02:08:55 What Should People Do With This Information?
02:11:12 “There’s a Lot Happening When It’s Quiet”
02:13:26 Knowledge, Anger & Healing
02:16:37 Dr. Sai’s Final Message: Fill Your Gourd

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