In Daniel 3:86, the prophet Daniel prays to the saints.

Let's bring back the two player hurdy gurdy for music at Mass.

I grew up in the Church of Christ, now I'm a Catholic Iconographer.  Growing up, e were taught that musical instruments in church will send you to hell.  Really appreciate Jimmy's thoughts in this video!!

Yet in the bible Christ tells the rich man to pray to father Abraham who is “dead”.

Oh my Gavin how can Christ sin when speaking to his disciples. That seems problematic doesn’t it.

Foot in mouth award to Gavin

Note it doesn’t even say in the Bible that you can’t ask for saints to intercede for you … whether they are walking on this world or the next .

But you do see Christ saying to pray for each other, that saints never die and have everlasting life, and Paul referred to himself as a saint and that people should pray for him and he would pray for them.

Many thanks Jimmy and Cy! May God bless and guide you both! 🙏

The Church of Christ’s prohibition on instruments in worship, odd as it is, gave rise to the tradition of shape note singing. With just a bit of training, congregations could learn to sing music by sight and in four-part harmony from collections like the Sacred Harp and Southern Harmony. It’s a remarkable and uniquely American contribution to sacred music.

I don't think he's applying inconsistent standards. Sola Scriptura is, at its root, a sort of canonized skepticism. Challenging a doctrine as "not scriptural" is only done when the speaker is skeptical. When the speaker is not, then he argues that it's acceptable by implication. As a result, doctrines get whittled down through time (e.g. Protestants used to accept the perpetual virginity of Mary, then arguments from skepticism arose, and now they don't).

It also whittles down their canon, as if you can doubt a passage, then the speaker argues it's not binding. It's not just the deuterocanonical books they removed, but now then ending of Mark and Woman Caught in Adultery get whittled down. I've seen scholars argue I Cor 14.34-35 is an addition based on their views of social roles.

I don't think Gavin is using a double-standard. I just don't think Sola Scriptura operates on the definitions people give it. The definitions come after the practice and try to codify it based on context and the nature of a dispute. At its core Sola Scriptura is a form of emotionally-driven skepticism and operates pre-rationaly.

The Campbellites’ argument from silence on musical instruments is doubly frustrating because it contradicts their own motto, “speak where scripture speaks, keep silent where scripture is silent.”

Intriguing title, "The piano problem"!!

The Byzantine Catholic Church doesn't use musical instruments in the Divine Liturgy

Hmm. Let's see. Ignore thousands of years of Jewish and Christian practice, ignore thousands and thousands of miracles attributed to the Intercessions of Saints, or listen to some rando protestant? Decisions, decisions....

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Sola Scriptura doesn't work because the Bible isn't a sufficient grounding for a consistent set of beliefs. It literally doesn't have all the axioms that Jesus intended us to use to come to the fullness of the faith.

But @Jimmy, I don't think the piano problem applies to those with a broad understanding of Sola Scriptura in the case of praying to the faithful departed. A broad understanding of Sola Scriptura would hold that Scripture teaches the Trinity because it is a good and necessary consequence of what it positively says and assumes about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, their relations and their work, and from what it says and assumes about how they are to be treated by believers. But a broad understanding of Sola Scriptura also allows one to recognise that the Scripture can negatively forbid or condemn or restrict a practice not simply through a proof text but by good and necessary consequence. For someone holding to that broad understanding, they may point to passages that explicitly teach against praying to the departed, or they may point to ways they think Scripture teaches the forbiding of the practise by good and necessary consequence. The piano observation does not apply to such a broad Sola Scripture Protestant critique of praying to the dead and the detailed arguments need to be engaged with on their merits. The fact that there may be some Protestants who inconsistently move between broad and narrow approaches to Sola Scripture says nothing about the strength or otherwise of the broad Sola Scriptura response to the practice you would defend, and I would object to.

This is a good answer

Piano problems are very real, especially in the US Air Force where pianos are burned at the stake. Sacrilege!

It's called..
Regulative Principle .... only what Scripture positively commands or authorizes is permitted. If Scripture does not authorize a practice, it should not be introduced, especially in worship.
Standard is: Whatever is not commanded is forbidden.
Normative Principle .... a practice is permitted unless Scripture forbids it, provided it is consistent with biblical principles.
Standard: Whatever is not forbidden is permitted.

A question I'd like to ask Protestant apologists is how non scripture experts can know which teachers to trust. Obviously, Christ can't have meant for the illiterate masses in an era where books barely existed to have learned Greek in Hebrew history and exegesis. so they would have been dependent on some authority to tell them what the Bible meant. How are they supposed to know who to trust?

You should get Dave Armstrong on the show to debunk people like Gavin Orthlund. Dave Armstrong is an accomplished apologist who knows the Protestant mind very well to tackle them in a way that will convince them.

Churches of Christ: there's no biblical example of musical instruments in new testament worship, so no one should use them.

Also churches of Christ: it's ok for the church to own real estate & church buildings though (without a biblical example), because we want to.